Comments on: Thatcher back in Downing Street http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/ This is the Birmingham University Conservative Future Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:18:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10016 Dan Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:48:35 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10016 Blairs in my top ten too lol :P Blairs in my top ten too lol :P

]]> By: John H(o) http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10015 John H(o) Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:24:59 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10015 That daniel is an exceptional point. Thats also why I'll have Wilson & Blair in my top 10 That daniel is an exceptional point.

Thats also why I’ll have Wilson & Blair in my top 10

]]> By: Sahar http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10014 Sahar Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:21:51 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10014 I want to hear about this 0.1% Dan ;-P I want to hear about this 0.1% Dan ;-P

]]> By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10012 Dan Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:21:59 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10012 haha... Hush your noise Howard. Now this may suprise you... but I actually agree Atlee was a good Prime Minister for the time. Unprecedented times require unprecented policies. However I wouldn't go so far as to say he was the best Prime Minister we've ever had. In fact I think it is foolish to claim any prime minister is the best weve ever had. You can say... in 'my opinion...' just as in my opinion Thatcher is the best but you can't claim it to be an actual fact. I believe which side of the fence you sit on will determine who your 'best PM' will be with Atlee and Thatcher at opposing ends of the spectrum. Left will pick Atlee, right will pick Thatcher. Mine is Thatcher because I find myself 99.9% in agreement with everything she did. As much as I admire Atlee... I cant bring myself to claim he is 'the best' because I disagree with nationalisation and certain elements of the welfare state on principle. That doesnt mean I dont recognise he was an important and distinguished political figure... but the best? In my opinion no. haha… Hush your noise Howard. Now this may suprise you… but I actually agree Atlee was a good Prime Minister for the time. Unprecedented times require unprecented policies. However I wouldn’t go so far as to say he was the best Prime Minister we’ve ever had. In fact I think it is foolish to claim any prime minister is the best weve ever had. You can say… in ‘my opinion…’ just as in my opinion Thatcher is the best but you can’t claim it to be an actual fact. I believe which side of the fence you sit on will determine who your ‘best PM’ will be with Atlee and Thatcher at opposing ends of the spectrum. Left will pick Atlee, right will pick Thatcher.

Mine is Thatcher because I find myself 99.9% in agreement with everything she did. As much as I admire Atlee… I cant bring myself to claim he is ‘the best’ because I disagree with nationalisation and certain elements of the welfare state on principle. That doesnt mean I dont recognise he was an important and distinguished political figure… but the best? In my opinion no.

]]> By: John H(o) http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10011 John H(o) Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:41:44 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10011 "Thatcher was the best this country has had. Brown and Cameron can never come close." Clement Attlee??? “Thatcher was the best this country has had. Brown and Cameron can never come close.”

Clement Attlee???

]]> By: Simon http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10010 Simon Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:44:25 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10010 Thatcher was the best this country has had. Brown and Cameron can never come close. Thatcher was the best this country has had. Brown and Cameron can never come close.

]]> By: Sahar http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10005 Sahar Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:02:56 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10005 Of course there are other reasons as to why Thatchers portrait is more desirable than Major's or the other Labour PMs you mentioned but in my opinion the link Dan makes is relevant. xXx Of course there are other reasons as to why Thatchers portrait is more desirable than Major’s or the other Labour PMs you mentioned but in my opinion the link Dan makes is relevant.

xXx

]]> By: Daniel Cowdrill http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10004 Daniel Cowdrill Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:04:14 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10004 I don't think this is a rational point at all. On this logic New Labour surely owe Clement Atlee a great deal, or David Lloyd George? Maybe Brown should commission a portrait of John Major for losing the 1997 election so catastrophically? I don’t think this is a rational point at all. On this logic New Labour surely owe Clement Atlee a great deal, or David Lloyd George? Maybe Brown should commission a portrait of John Major for losing the 1997 election so catastrophically?

]]> By: Sahar http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-10000 Sahar Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:48:36 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-10000 I've got my eyes on that brooch- love it! I think the point made by Dan is rational since former PMs (especially those who are radical in their approach) really do shape the careers of future politicians! No doubt! So yes, New Labour certainly does owe a lot to The Lady. xXx I’ve got my eyes on that brooch- love it!

I think the point made by Dan is rational since former PMs (especially those who are radical in their approach) really do shape the careers of future politicians! No doubt! So yes, New Labour certainly does owe a lot to The Lady.

xXx

]]> By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9999 Dan Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:38:36 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9999 One should also remember that NO other Prime Minister has an official portrait in doning street. They all have the little ones on the stairs but Thatcher will be the first to get a full size portrait which will sit in pride of place in the Diplomatic reception room, also known as the Thatcher room, where Gordon Brown hosts foreign dignitaries. One should also remember that NO other Prime Minister has an official portrait in doning street. They all have the little ones on the stairs but Thatcher will be the first to get a full size portrait which will sit in pride of place in the Diplomatic reception room, also known as the Thatcher room, where Gordon Brown hosts foreign dignitaries.

]]> By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9998 Dan Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:34:31 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9998 Well said Laura lol. Besides.. it might be a Thatcher blog... but it isnt mine lol. Bloody good portrait though dont you think lol? Well said Laura lol. Besides.. it might be a Thatcher blog… but it isnt mine lol. Bloody good portrait though dont you think lol?

]]> By: Laura http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9996 Laura Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:07:34 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9996 Another Thatcher blog. I should stop complaining really and get my arse into gear and write one myself. Also, I'm with Cowdrill on this. surprise surprise, I always tend to be with Cowdrill. Another Thatcher blog.
I should stop complaining really and get my arse into gear and write one myself.

Also, I’m with Cowdrill on this. surprise surprise, I always tend to be with Cowdrill.

]]> By: JACK MATTHEW http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9995 JACK MATTHEW Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:05:46 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9995 Brown departed from Thatcherism on a number fo fronts that I've already described. What dan forgets is that much of Major's britain was created between 1945 and 1951. We could argue that all modern politicians owe a lot to robert Peel or that he owed a lot in a long line back to Edward I. Had Major not come to terms with some of the failings of Thatcherism, he would not have kept his job. Brown departed from Thatcherism on a number fo fronts that I’ve already described. What dan forgets is that much of Major’s britain was created between 1945 and 1951. We could argue that all modern politicians owe a lot to robert Peel or that he owed a lot in a long line back to Edward I. Had Major not come to terms with some of the failings of Thatcherism, he would not have kept his job.

]]> By: Daniel Cowdrill http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9994 Daniel Cowdrill Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:16:59 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9994 I note you mention "his" success. I note you mention “his” success.

]]> By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9993 Dan Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:14:31 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9993 yeh... within the paradigms determined by the Thatcher governments. Brown had to u-turn on ALL of his criticisms. Don't forget he was one of her most vocal critics... until he realised he was talking sh*t and fell in to line. His greatest success has been AFTER he accepted her reforms... not before. No politician or party owes there carer entirely to one person... but in this case they owe her a great deal as she forced them to change. Just as it can be argued New Tories owe new Labour a deal for making us change. yeh… within the paradigms determined by the Thatcher governments. Brown had to u-turn on ALL of his criticisms. Don’t forget he was one of her most vocal critics… until he realised he was talking sh*t and fell in to line. His greatest success has been AFTER he accepted her reforms… not before. No politician or party owes there carer entirely to one person… but in this case they owe her a great deal as she forced them to change. Just as it can be argued New Tories owe new Labour a deal for making us change.

]]> By: Daniel Cowdrill http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9992 Daniel Cowdrill Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:00:15 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9992 Aside from his own abilities, it is the Labour party who he owes his position to. It is the Labour party who campaigned for him, before Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister. It is the Labour leadership who promoted him on several occasions. As for New Labour, they owe nothing to Margaret Thatcher. As I said, they recognised some of the Thatcher reforms, and were fortunate in that the wider Labour party were prepared to allow change. They were simply pragmatists, adapting Labour ideology to new cirumstances. Aside from his own abilities, it is the Labour party who he owes his position to. It is the Labour party who campaigned for him, before Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister. It is the Labour leadership who promoted him on several occasions.

As for New Labour, they owe nothing to Margaret Thatcher. As I said, they recognised some of the Thatcher reforms, and were fortunate in that the wider Labour party were prepared to allow change. They were simply pragmatists, adapting Labour ideology to new cirumstances.

]]> By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9990 Dan Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:38:10 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9990 The fact is he owes his current job to her as does Tony Blair. Lets face it... had Labour not come to terms with the 'Thatcher revolution'... it is quite likely they would still be in opposition. So you are right... he owes Labour alot... but New Labour owe Thatcher alot. The fact is he owes his current job to her as does Tony Blair. Lets face it… had Labour not come to terms with the ‘Thatcher revolution’… it is quite likely they would still be in opposition. So you are right… he owes Labour alot… but New Labour owe Thatcher alot.

]]> By: Daniel Cowdrill http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9988 Daniel Cowdrill Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:03:39 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9988 Gordon Brown does not owe his career to Margaret Thatcher. Brown stood in the 1979 General Election, before the Thatcher reforms had happened. He entered Parliament in 1983, becoming opposition spokesman for trade and industry in 1985, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 1987, Shadow Secretary for Trade and Industry in 1989, and then Shadow Chancellor in 1992. Apart from his own abilities, I was right to say that it was the Labour party who he owes his "career" to. Brown and the New Labour may have acknowledged the Thatcher reforms in the economic sphere, but Brown would have had a major role in any Labour government. Gordon Brown does not owe his career to Margaret Thatcher.

Brown stood in the 1979 General Election, before the Thatcher reforms had happened. He entered Parliament in 1983, becoming opposition spokesman for trade and industry in 1985, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 1987, Shadow Secretary for Trade and Industry in 1989, and then Shadow Chancellor in 1992.

Apart from his own abilities, I was right to say that it was the Labour party who he owes his “career” to. Brown and the New Labour may have acknowledged the Thatcher reforms in the economic sphere, but Brown would have had a major role in any Labour government.

]]> By: Dan http://bucf.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/thatcher-back-in-downing-street/#comment-9987 Dan Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:34:56 +0000 http://bucf.wordpress.com/?p=2903#comment-9987 On the contrary Daniel... I think brown is showing exactly who he owes his career to. On the contrary Daniel… I think brown is showing exactly who he owes his career to.

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